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Old 06-07-2009, 11:37 AM   #61
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Mets operate on signability 1st.

We do not take people who do not sign in the Top 10 rounds.

If we do, that scout will be terminated immediately, as well as possibility the cross.

1st selection has obviously been scouted by everyone in the organization and they all agree who it is.

Actually they most likely have 3 players who they suspect will still be there at #72 and at that moment, when the pick is on the clock, will make their final decision, have the local scout in his kitchen, and say, OK, here is the slot money, you ready to sign. As they get his signature, they call in the pick.

If he balks for one second, they will go to choice #2 from the Mets War Room in Flushing or at the Minor League Complex in St Lucie (wherever) they decide to set up.

Organizations actually have a board, with rounds, names and player IDs on it. It's divided by ROUND and have several names per round. The ones on the left side of the board are guys who are signable and the right those who aren't or their asking price is out of range.

As they get selected, the name tag gets thrown into the heap. They have several names obviously per round, as that person gets selected, they remove the tile with their name and draft ID #. At a certain point, they move down guys who's asking price is too high and won't budge into the heap. We don't often select HS players late to have as summer follows like other organizations do.

Each team obviously places a different price on top of the players head. Such as Rodriguez, who other teams had at 10+.

All it takes is one scout, one Regional crosschecker, National Cross and the Scouting Director to like a guy from rounds 5-10 1st through 5th are all decisions from the highest levels and signability is MANDATORY at least in the Mets organization in Top 10. We signed a ton of guys last year, that's an indication our scouts do their homework to ensure signability, unlike the Yankees who failed to sign their 1st Round pick to 3M.

The Mets go after high character players, normally. Every now and again there is a miss or failure to really dig deep into a player's head. Or they get there and their heads turn into PRIMA-DONNAs and forget the things that got them there.

You give a bone head 700K and he walks away from you, how can you predict that?
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Old 06-07-2009, 03:28 PM   #62
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Mets operate on signability 1st.

We do not take people who do not sign in the Top 10 rounds.

If we do, that scout will be terminated immediately, as well as possibility the cross.

1st selection has obviously been scouted by everyone in the organization and they all agree who it is.

Actually they most likely have 3 players who they suspect will still be there at #72 and at that moment, when the pick is on the clock, will make their final decision, have the local scout in his kitchen, and say, OK, here is the slot money, you ready to sign. As they get his signature, they call in the pick.

If he balks for one second, they will go to choice #2 from the Mets War Room in Flushing or at the Minor League Complex in St Lucie (wherever) they decide to set up.

Organizations actually have a board, with rounds, names and player IDs on it. It's divided by ROUND and have several names per round. The ones on the left side of the board are guys who are signable and the right those who aren't or their asking price is out of range.

As they get selected, the name tag gets thrown into the heap. They have several names obviously per round, as that person gets selected, they remove the tile with their name and draft ID #. At a certain point, they move down guys who's asking price is too high and won't budge into the heap. We don't often select HS players late to have as summer follows like other organizations do.

Each team obviously places a different price on top of the players head. Such as Rodriguez, who other teams had at 10+.

All it takes is one scout, one Regional crosschecker, National Cross and the Scouting Director to like a guy from rounds 5-10 1st through 5th are all decisions from the highest levels and signability is MANDATORY at least in the Mets organization in Top 10. We signed a ton of guys last year, that's an indication our scouts do their homework to ensure signability, unlike the Yankees who failed to sign their 1st Round pick to 3M.

The Mets go after high character players, normally. Every now and again there is a miss or failure to really dig deep into a player's head. Or they get there and their heads turn into PRIMA-DONNAs and forget the things that got them there.

You give a bone head 700K and he walks away from you, how can you predict that?
Uh, Kyle Allen?
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Old 06-07-2009, 04:24 PM   #63
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a bonehead who walks away...sounds like vineyard.
it's amazing they all agreed on kunz. horrible pick.
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Old 06-07-2009, 05:04 PM   #64
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Uh, Kyle Allen?
I think you read that wrong, I read it as him saying the Mets don't draft guys in the top 10 rounds that have signability issues and head to jr college or college rather than signing with the Mets. The org drafts safe and gets everyone signed in the top 10 rounds, and don't take chances on players who aren't definite signings.
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Old 06-07-2009, 05:17 PM   #65
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I think you read that wrong, I read it as him saying the Mets don't draft guys in the top 10 rounds that have signability issues and head to jr college or college rather than signing with the Mets. The org drafts safe and gets everyone signed in the top 10 rounds, and don't take chances on players who aren't definite signings.
This.

Kyle Allen was a 24th rounder. A steal, but a 24th rounder.

I wanna see them go for tough signs with 20% of their picks this year, but only after round 7 (unless it's a Jack McGeary situation).

Obviously the kids gotta have some sensibility, too. Don't fall from the 2nd round to the 17th and ask for $950k, ya know? Ask for $500k and you might get it.
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Old 06-07-2009, 06:32 PM   #66
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Keith Law has Donovan Tate (#5 on PGCrosschecker's board, #3 at BA) falling completely out of the first round due to signability.

I don't see it.
MOM is playing the game right now at least in the press. I don't want him to go pro, I want him to go play in college and get his degree.

That will turn heads of team. Specifically the Mets if they were drafting him.

The Yankee's try to offer him the world and he walks away, ALA Cole.

Tate has some serious tools, kid has Football, ALA Casey Kelly, Destin Hood to up stock and make teams want to get them in their systems to develop them.

When we signed Stegall away from the University of Miami as their only incoming QB, I assure you, we had a committment from him. He signed for $145K.

Again, my statement, we take players in the Top 10 rounds that are SURE signs.

How did we take Satin in the 6th round and give him...$25K? Obviously he was a Senior College draft, but he was a sure sign and a sure filler in our system for years to come. Future coach.
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Old 06-07-2009, 06:55 PM   #67
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This.

Kyle Allen was a 24th rounder. A steal, but a 24th rounder.

I wanna see them go for tough signs with 20% of their picks this year, but only after round 7 (unless it's a Jack McGeary situation).

Obviously the kids gotta have some sensibility, too. Don't fall from the 2nd round to the 17th and ask for $950k, ya know? Ask for $500k and you might get it.
Maybe with another team, you'll get $500K. But, not with the Mets.

MLB has a rule in the draft about capping overslot in rounds 6 and below at $150K. Anything else, requires MLB HQs blessing before the deal can be approved. The Mets don't like to push the brass at the MLB level, plus it's a great sales tool to players they've selected. Many team disregard this rule and just submit their overslot request and of course they get approved.

The Mets like to stick to the slot $$$ numbers.

Look at past drafts and tell me if you see any different.
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Old 06-07-2009, 07:27 PM   #68
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Do people ever trade down in the MLB draft to amass more picks? I imagine a Mel Kiper type character just laughing as he corners the market on 18th rounders. :D
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Do people ever trade down in the MLB draft to amass more picks? I imagine a Mel Kiper type character just laughing as he corners the market on 18th rounders. :D
I haven't seen this happen in years, but it has happened, I can't quote the date, but it normally involves a trade along with the player.

The questionaires have on them, would you play for us if we drafted you?

I wonder if a kid has ever said, "if you draft me, you're wasting your time, your market doesn't suit my needs." LOL

Oh and believe me, players will tell other teams, I'm demanding a 1M just to get them off the board and on the unsignable board only to be picked up by a team in the 15th round or so and sign for that same 1M. Look back a few drafts, I can't remember the kids name, but he signed for a $1M in like 2005/06 in the middle and was a true talent. He just wanted to play for that specific team and made his demand so high the others turned their heads.

Don't think it's not a game out there. Scouts trying to overhear other scouts. Scout feeding bullcrap to other scouts about a player, that the scout is high on, but wants him to go check him out again just to make sure what he said really isn't the case.

It's called competition and it happens at the different scouting levels too.

I once heard a scout say very loudly among all his peers, did you see that, he swung and missed a ball in that BP session, that's a RED FLAG guys. Only to jump on the kid as a 'sandwich pick'.

Again, if a scout loves you, he sees no wrong in you. They have to do their homework, their reputation depends on it. The more picks they get to the big leagues, the more chance they have of being retained and promoted or being picked up by another club in a different area. Just like a player, they have to produce year in and year out.

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Old 06-07-2009, 08:46 PM   #70
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some good posts whateverulike... havent seen you here much.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:04 PM   #71
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MOM is playing the game right now at least in the press. I don't want him to go pro, I want him to go play in college and get his degree.

That will turn heads of team. Specifically the Mets if they were drafting him.

The Yankee's try to offer him the world and he walks away, ALA Cole.

Tate has some serious tools, kid has Football, ALA Casey Kelly, Destin Hood to up stock and make teams want to get them in their systems to develop them.

When we signed Stegall away from the University of Miami as their only incoming QB, I assure you, we had a committment from him. He signed for $145K.

Again, my statement, we take players in the Top 10 rounds that are SURE signs.

How did we take Satin in the 6th round and give him...$25K? Obviously he was a Senior College draft, but he was a sure sign and a sure filler in our system for years to come. Future coach.
I want to add this before I fall asleep, my last of the night...haha.

The Padres scout who selected Tommy Toledo in the 3rd Round in 2007 was fired. He didn't sign. Toledo went to UF, Toledo had surgery too and didn't play.

The Padres are on Tate. But, I guarantee you, the GM/Scouting Director/MLB Scouting Bureau/Player Development, the National guy, the Crosschecker, the local area scout, are all feeling him out, his parents, his friends, he's being watched like a hawk over a rabbit in the middle of a field of grass.

There is no way, they take him #3 overall and don't sign him. That's why the big drop after them. If he doesn't go there, everyone else has said, 'screw it' let him go to college, we're turned off by the signability issues and we'll just go find another player.
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Maybe with another team, you'll get $500K. But, not with the Mets.

MLB has a rule in the draft about capping overslot in rounds 6 and below at $150K. Anything else, requires MLB HQs blessing before the deal can be approved. The Mets don't like to push the brass at the MLB level, plus it's a great sales tool to players they've selected. Many team disregard this rule and just submit their overslot request and of course they get approved.

The Mets like to stick to the slot $$$ numbers.

Look at past drafts and tell me if you see any different.
I know that, and I've routinely accused Wilpon of slurping Selig's cock because of that. I'm saying I want that to end (it won't).
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I haven't seen this happen in years, but it has happened, I can't quote the date, but it normally involves a trade along with the player.

The questionaires have on them, would you play for us if we drafted you?

I wonder if a kid has ever said, "if you draft me, you're wasting your time, your market doesn't suit my needs." LOL

Oh and believe me, players will tell other teams, I'm demanding a 1M just to get them off the board and on the unsignable board only to be picked up by a team in the 15th round or so and sign for that same 1M. Look back a few drafts, I can't remember the kids name, but he signed for a $1M in like 2005/06 in the middle and was a true talent. He just wanted to play for that specific team and made his demand so high the others turned their heads.

Don't think it's not a game out there. Scouts trying to overhear other scouts. Scout feeding bullcrap to other scouts about a player, that the scout is high on, but wants him to go check him out again just to make sure what he said really isn't the case.

It's called competition and it happens at the different scouting levels too.

I once heard a scout say very loudly among all his peers, did you see that, he swung and missed a ball in that BP session, that's a RED FLAG guys. Only to jump on the kid as a 'sandwich pick'.

Again, if a scout loves you, he sees no wrong in you. They have to do their homework, they're reputation depends on it. The more picks they get to the big leagues, the more chance they have of being retained and promoted or being picked up by another club in a different area. Just like a player, they have to produce year in and year out.
From what I understand, trading picks is not allowed. When has that happened?

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft...3fid%3d3423777
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From what I understand, trading picks is not allowed. When has that happened?

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft...3fid%3d3423777
100% true, it's called the Pete Incaviglia Rule from 1986.

He was signed by the Expos in 1986, refused to play in the minors, traded to Texas Rangers.

I stand corrected, draft picks are protected for 1 year after they are under contract (signing date) and can not be traded.

Good find Super Nat.

Teams have until Aug 15th to sign a pick or he goes back into the draft the following year. He also can not be selected by the same team with whom he was drafted and did not sign, unless he signs a waiver to allow that team to select him again (i.e. Aaron Crowe) who the Nats failed to sign.

Previously, teams had until the following year's draft to sign a pick, but in 2007 abolished that rule making the signing date by Aug 15th. Team in the past were able to select players, players would go to Junior Colleges and be followed and signed at any point prior to the next draft. Called the draft and follow, now referred to as summer follows. If the player enter a 4 year university, they were govern by the NCAA rules and thus the pick was lost and no draft and follow was allowed. In otherwords, see you in three years (Junior year) or at age 21 whichever comes first.

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I'm going to take a stab at who we take at #103.

RHP Billy Bullock UF

If still on the board at that pick!
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He'd be in serious contention for ugliest Met.

Numbers also look pretty ugly. Is he another guy they look at in the "has terrible college numbers but is big and can possibly throw really hard" dice roll Met pick mold?
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"Billy Bullock had his second straight scoreless ninth inning, but he was not perfect this time, yielding two base runners. Bullock is still throwing in the mid-90s and touched 98 earlier in the year."

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that does sound like a Met kind of pick
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He'd be in serious contention for ugliest Met.

Numbers also look pretty ugly. Is he another guy they look at in the "has terrible college numbers but is big and can possibly throw really hard" dice roll Met pick mold?

he looks like a white oliver perez
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:32 AM   #79
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No one tops Gomez, I always thought he looked like a caveman.
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I can't get the pic of Juan Lagares up.

WC can you put up Bullock next to Lagares for a vote? Along with CAVEMAN! LOL
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