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Old 12-07-2017, 03:07 PM   #1
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Andres Gimenez, SS
David Peterson, LHP
Mark Vientos, SS
Justin Dunn, RHP
Thomas Szapucki, LHP
Tomas Nido, C
Peter Alonso, 1B
Desmond Lindsay, OF
Chris Flexen, RHP
Luis Guillorme, SS/2B
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Old 12-07-2017, 04:25 PM   #2
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Man, they really need to start rebuilding this system, that's pretty rough
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:59 PM   #3
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Does Chris Flexen really still count as a prospect? And a top 10 prospect in our system no less? Fuck that's bad.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:05 PM   #4
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When you go through the Mets draft classes of the Sandy era -- 2011 onward -- they really haven't produced much talent. Conforto and Fulmer really the only guys to blossom into high end big league players from any of those classes thus far, and obviously Fulmer's not doing it in a Mets uniform.
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:29 PM   #5
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When you go through the Mets draft classes of the Sandy era -- 2011 onward -- they really haven't produced much talent. Conforto and Fulmer really the only guys to blossom into high end big league players from any of those classes thus far, and obviously Fulmer's not doing it in a Mets uniform.
To be fair, you should look at the drafts.

2011: https://www.baseball-reference.com/d...ype=year_round

Sure, there was Fernandez who was a stud, and a few other good players, but 6 players picked between 13 and 60 have 5 wars or better. Mets picked one of them (Fulmer).

2012: https://www.baseball-reference.com/d...ype=year_round

4 players picked after Cecchini have a 5 war or higher (if you like Stephen Piscotty, 4.4 war and Joey (homers) Gallo, then maybe 6), again just 6 between picks 12 and 60.

2013: https://www.baseball-reference.com/d...ype=year_round

Again, I'm just looking at the first round. Dom Smith picked #11, only 4 guys have a war 3 or better picked 11-39. Aaron Judge looks like a stud, maybe there's others, but it's early.

2014: as noted, we got Conforto, who could be (along with Turner) one of the top guys in that draft - mets did well in 2014.

2015: No first round pick, but this may be one of the mets better 2nd-5th rounder years with Szapucki, Thompson, Lindsay and some later round guys who look OK (for later round picks).

2016/2017: Dunn might have struggled but it's early and 2017 looks pretty good with Peterson/Vientos.

Point is, if there's maybe a 15-20% chance of landing a player who's a difference maker with picks in the 10-13 range, and a 10%-15% chance in the later 20-40 range. Statistically the mets scored about average for early picks in the draft. Not terrible. And the jury is still out for several of those players. I mean, sure, hindsight, draft Seager not Cecchini or Fernandez not Nimmo, or Gallow not Plawecki, but hindsight is 20/20. The mathematician in me just wanted to point out that team-Sandy has done about average in his drafts and an argument can be made for a hair above average. if you compare with the average war of players taken soon after he picked. It's also early. The Jury is still out.

If you really want to improve your draft, you tank and get a top 3/5 pick which improves the odds and increases the money you have to spend, but the Wilpons didn't want to tank. The odds drop on getting a top guy if you draft in the 10-13 range
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Old 12-07-2017, 11:02 PM   #6
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The Mets were so hard to rank because of the suckiness. Mine is done and should be released in a few weeks.
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I have no idea who mark Vientos is, but based on his name alone, I'm assuming he's a light hitting, all glove middle infielder who guys will try to pass off as "a good bench piece," like all our other offensive players to come out of the minors not named Conforto
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Oh, he was from this past year's draft. Must have really tuned out Mets baseball even by the draft
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Old 12-08-2017, 02:54 PM   #9
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I have no idea who mark Vientos is, but based on his name alone, I'm assuming he's a light hitting, all glove middle infielder who guys will try to pass off as "a good bench piece," like all our other offensive players to come out of the minors not named Conforto
Nah he's a slow-footed SS with power potential. He'll almost definitely move to 3B before the majors
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I don't know if he's slow footed, but he's still 17 (turns 18 in 3 days) so he's young for a HS draft pick and his 6'4 frame is expected to fill out and might even grow another inch or two, so SS probably isn't in the cards.

The mets were reportedly thrilled that he was still there at #59 cause they were considering signing him with the #20 pick. They had to pay him 1.5 in a 1.1 slot, but they like him.
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gotta think teams are licking their chops looking at this list. we're definitely gonna make a big trade this offseason...
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gotta think teams are licking their chops looking at this list. we're definitely gonna make a big trade this offseason...
I don't think so. Why would we wanna give up any of those studs?
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The Mets were so hard to rank because of the suckiness. Mine is done and should be released in a few weeks.
Out with it man!
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Out with it man!
For Fantasy purposes, although I'd move Alonso up after talking to a few more sources to number 2.

1. Andres Giminez
2. Thomas Szapucki
3. Peter Alonso
4. David Peterson
5. Mark Vientos
6. Justin Dunn
7. Desmond Lindsay
8. Marcos Molina
9. David Thompson
10. Luis Guillorme
11. Corey Oswalt
12. Anthony Kay
13. Jordan Humpfreys
14. Patrick Mazeika
15. Tomas Nido

If not fantasy purposes
1. Gimenez
2. Alonso
3. Peterson
4. Szapucki
5. Vientos
6. Dunn
7. Molina
8. Nido
9. Kay
10. Guillorme
11. Lindsay
12. Thompson
13. Humpfreys
14. Oswalt
15. Flexen
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For Fantasy purposes, although I'd move Alonso up after talking to a few more sources to number 2.

1. Andres Giminez
2. Thomas Szapucki
3. Peter Alonso
4. David Peterson
5. Mark Vientos
6. Justin Dunn
7. Desmond Lindsay
8. Marcos Molina
9. David Thompson
10. Luis Guillorme
11. Corey Oswalt
12. Anthony Kay
13. Jordan Humpfreys
14. Patrick Mazeika
15. Tomas Nido

If not fantasy purposes
1. Gimenez
2. Alonso
3. Peterson
4. Szapucki
5. Vientos
6. Dunn
7. Molina
8. Nido
9. Kay
10. Guillorme
11. Lindsay
12. Thompson
13. Humpfreys
14. Oswalt
15. Flexen
Thank you very much
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Alonso is our Lord and savior
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I have a weird feeling about Alonso....Like that he's gonna be a stud. Basically based on nothing.
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What's the deal with Lindsay? How come some people love him?
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Old 02-26-2018, 08:09 PM   #19
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I have a weird feeling about Alonso....Like that he's gonna be a stud. Basically based on nothing.
Been saying it since draft day that he's gonna be our Goldschmidt and I have nothing to base it on. Just a feeling that he's gonna be really, really good.
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