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Old 10-04-2018, 10:34 PM   #21
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His FB hasnít come back and Iíve also thought his best pitch was his CB. Lower his arm angle probably gets rid of the CB and thatís the best case to help his FB. I donít think so.
What was he throwing before?

The night I saw him he was 93-94 and he maintained it up to 90-100 pitches.
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Old 10-04-2018, 10:35 PM   #22
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Do you believe that player development/coaching was the major issue with the below expectation play of some of the recent call ups as the Wilpons have leaked out?
IDK. While everyone said Rosario and Smith were ready last year, I didnít think they were after some PCL looks and what my contacts had said. Who knows where the call came from to bring both guys up.
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What was he throwing before?

The night I saw him he was 93-94 and he maintained it up to 90-100 pitches.
Wow! I have a late report saying 88-91, touching 3 early. It was consistent with what I saw last year. I Non-prospect him at that velo. The cmd was horrid. How was it for you?
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Do you think Alonso is major-league ready?
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Old 10-04-2018, 10:38 PM   #25
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Thanks for all the info, btw.

What are your thoughts on Dibrell?
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Old 10-04-2018, 10:41 PM   #26
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Do you think Alonso is major-league ready?
All signs point to yes. I know Mets fans were upset but I see both sides. All things being equal, he should have been up but thatís not the case.
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Wow! I have a late report saying 88-91, touching 3 early. It was consistent with what I saw last year. I Non-prospect him at that velo. The cmd was horrid. How was it for you?
He was throwing hard the night I saw him, nobody did much with his FB but it was a weak lineup he was facing..

I mentioned it in the last part of the last post in the Gimenez thread.

He has Josh Edgin body.
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Thanks for all the info, btw.

What are your thoughts on Dibrell?
I saw him as an amateur. Not a top 20guy for me but someone who is under-the-radar, probably a reliever if he makes it but some chance as a back of the rotation starter. He needs better secondaries and more FB command according to my reports.
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He was throwing hard the night I saw him, nobody did much with his FB but it was a weak lineup he was facing..

I mentioned it in the last part of the last post in the Gimenez thread.

He has Josh Edgin body.
Agree on the last part.
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Old 10-04-2018, 10:56 PM   #30
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The biggest issue still plaguing the org is the overall depth, especially in the upper minors. That’s where the drafts come into play. This last draft brought in better players further down in the draft. They took a lot of college juniors at the end of day two and throughout day 3, gambling they could reach their prices. College juniors chosen on day 3 have little leverage 9 negotiate and they took full advantage.
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Old 10-05-2018, 02:25 AM   #31
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1. Gimenez
2. Alonso
3, Kelenic
4. Mauricio
5. Dunn
6. Szapucki
7. Newton
8, Peterson
9. Vientos
10. Santana
My top 13 FWIW ( not much since I don't follow the system closely anymore )

1. Kelenic
2. Gimenez
3. Alonso
4. Szapucki
5. Mauricio
6. Vientos
7. Petersen
8. Kilome
9. Dunn
10. Kay
11. SWR
12. Santana
13. Newton

Questions for Pickles:
1. Do you feel confident in Dunn being a SP longterm?
2. Wasn't there issues with his velocity in Binghamton (ie: losing it big time in the 4th/5th innings)
3. Do Newton's Ks bother you any?
4. What seperates Vientos (9 on your list) from Kelenic (3) and Mauricio (4)?
5. Where would you rank Kilome, Kay and SWR?

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Old 10-05-2018, 07:55 AM   #32
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Pickles, two questions for you (and thanks for sharing your insight!):

1) Noticed you havenít mentioned Anthony Kay yet. Whatís your general outlook on him?

2) Any thoughts on Will Toffey, or not enough time in the Mets system yet to evaluate?
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Old 10-05-2018, 08:25 AM   #33
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My top 13 FWIW ( not much since I don't follow the system closely anymore )

1. Kelenic
2. Gimenez
3. Alonso
4. Szapucki
5. Mauricio
6. Vientos
7. Petersen
8. Kilome
9. Dunn
10. Kay
11. SWR
12. Santana
13. Newton

Questions for Pickles:
1. Do you feel confident in Dunn being a SP longterm?
2. Wasn't there issues with his velocity in Binghamton (ie: losing it big time in the 4th/5th innings)
3. Do Newton's Ks bother you any?
4. What seperates Vientos (9 on your list) from Kelenic (3) and Mauricio (4)?
5. Where would you rank Kilome, Kay and SWR?
I haven't spoken to one evaluator who has thought Vientos > Newton. One thought it was even but the rest (3 other evaluators and myself) thought it was Newton.

1. 50/50 reaching ceiling
2. Yes. The strength work he puts in this off-season will make or break him imo.
3. No. Pitch recognition continued to improve. Didn't chase FBs.
4. Vientos has some issues at the plate more likely to give him trouble as he advances to full-season ball and the upper minors. Also, 3B isn't a premium position. Give me the toolsy, athletic types over the guy who has some limitations in that area. There is a lot of raw power lying with Vientos. I don't believe in the bat yet. Plus, upside potential goes to the two other guys.
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A. Kilome = Reliever
B. Kay = 5th Starter likely, 4th starter less-likely. His stuff isn't impressive. I saw him before his good stretch. Others who saw him during that stretch thought it was more his command improving than his stuff. He's a MLB pitcher. However, his type is all around the Four A and fringe MLB starter in baseball.
C. SWR. The Mets were on a player much higher than others had him. Before a LOL Mets comment from someone else, that is what makes amateur baseball so unique. Speaking with a cross-checker from another team, they had him in the 4th/5th range internally. A lot of amatuers is the decision makers seeing the guys perform the 1 or 2 times they get to see them. The Mets may not have deGrom if he wasn't on their radar because the area guy was able to identify deGrom early enough to allow the decision makers chances to see him and form their opinions. For SWR, the decision boils down to, "Do you think he is a starter long term?" Most teams didn't feel confident answering that. The Mets believe he is. You don't give $1.85 million to a guy, HS guy especially, if you don't think you've got a starter. My sources weren't as convinced. Time will tell. I will go with my sources over the Mets thinking because I don't talk to the Mets.
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Pickles, two questions for you (and thanks for sharing your insight!):

1) Noticed you havenít mentioned Anthony Kay yet. Whatís your general outlook on him?

2) Any thoughts on Will Toffey, or not enough time in the Mets system yet to evaluate?
1. I just answered it above. MLB pitcher. The issue is whether the stuff is good enough to be anything more than a 4A/5th starter type. There are people who are higher on him in prospect media much higher than I am.

2. I had Toffey as an amateur and thought he was a 4th/5th rounder, which he was. He has an idea at the plate and knows the zone. He grinds out ABs. The Mets love guys like that. Unfortunately, he's a 3B and may never have enough power to stay there. He's also not an athlete I have moving around to other places either. He probably graded out real high on whatever analytical evaluation system the Mets org uses since there are a lot of college drafted players with similar profiles.
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Old 10-05-2018, 09:26 AM   #35
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Meant to put Santana last not Sanchez.
So would Sanchez be the best catching prospect? Thoughts on his development? Any other Mets catching prospects of note?
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Old 10-05-2018, 09:44 AM   #36
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What’s the real truth on Alonso’s defense?

Could Giminez (on any other organazation) make the team out of spring training? Is he a potential elite talent?

Are the Mets going to keep kilome as a starter for as long as possible or could we see him as a reliever in the majors as soon as next year ?
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Have you heard any serious talks about Rosario moving to CF?
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I haven't spoken to one evaluator who has thought Vientos > Newton. One thought it was even but the rest (3 other evaluators and myself) thought it was Newton.

1. 50/50 reaching ceiling
2. Yes. The strength work he puts in this off-season will make or break him imo.
3. No. Pitch recognition continued to improve. Didn't chase FBs.
4. Vientos has some issues at the plate more likely to give him trouble as he advances to full-season ball and the upper minors. Also, 3B isn't a premium position. Give me the toolsy, athletic types over the guy who has some limitations in that area. There is a lot of raw power lying with Vientos. I don't believe in the bat yet. Plus, upside potential goes to the two other guys.
5.
A. Kilome = Reliever
B. Kay = 5th Starter likely, 4th starter less-likely. His stuff isn't impressive. I saw him before his good stretch. Others who saw him during that stretch thought it was more his command improving than his stuff. He's a MLB pitcher. However, his type is all around the Four A and fringe MLB starter in baseball.
C. SWR. The Mets were on a player much higher than others had him. Before a LOL Mets comment from someone else, that is what makes amateur baseball so unique. Speaking with a cross-checker from another team, they had him in the 4th/5th range internally. A lot of amatuers is the decision makers seeing the guys perform the 1 or 2 times they get to see them. The Mets may not have deGrom if he wasn't on their radar because the area guy was able to identify deGrom early enough to allow the decision makers chances to see him and form their opinions. For SWR, the decision boils down to, "Do you think he is a starter long term?" Most teams didn't feel confident answering that. The Mets believe he is. You don't give $1.85 million to a guy, HS guy especially, if you don't think you've got a starter. My sources weren't as convinced. Time will tell. I will go with my sources over the Mets thinking because I don't talk to the Mets.
Thank you so much for this, and for doing this whole thread. You rock it, sir.
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Old 10-05-2018, 03:28 PM   #39
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1. Gimenez
2. Alonso
3, Kelenic
4. Mauricio
5. Dunn
6. Szapucki
7. Newton
8, Peterson
9. Vientos
10. Sanchez
as in ali sanchez?

does he have a chance to hit because his defense is legit good right?
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So would Sanchez be the best catching prospect? Thoughts on his development? Any other Mets catching prospects of note?
Ali Sanchez is a good defender with a solid hit tool. Doesnít walk at all. He has a 30% chance of becoming a MLB regular and 70% chance becoming a backup. Itís Nido and Sanchez. Thatís it.
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