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View Poll Results: Fair deGrom Contract
6/$155 (Lester) 24 27.59%
6/$135 8 9.20%
5/$120 44 50.57%
5/$100 10 11.49%
4/$45 (Nola) 1 1.15%
4/$40 (Severino) 0 0%
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Old 02-22-2019, 08:36 AM   #41
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deGrom BASE is going to make something like 25m next year in arb4. And then he'll be 32.5 as a FA.

He'll probably not get a mega long term deal. 4 years tops, and probably 3. But he'll get AAV out the asshole. 30m probably.

25/30/30/30 = 4/115. Probably a 4th year option thrown in there at 33/34m with a 3/4 mil buyout.

He's probably not going to give us much of a discount at this point.
OK Tej, you're essentially saying 3/$88M or 3/$89M of guaranteed money for deGrom's extension then?
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Old 02-22-2019, 08:59 AM   #42
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We can't just ignore the fact that Severino, who was third in the Cy Young in 2017 and 9th last year at a 19-8 clip (yeah, I hate W-Ls but there it is) just got 4/40. Yes, he was further from FA, but he is also *24*. There is a country mile from signing a 24 year old versus a 31 year old. The comp is there, it can't be ignored.

If you told me I had to sign one of them to a 7 year guaranteed contract, it would be Severino.
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:10 AM   #43
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:31 AM   #44
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Kershaw is a great comp in some ways, but tenuous in others. For one thing, he hasn't been throwing 210 or 190 innings....I think his three year, average is like 165 or something (without looking). And the arm has 2000 major league innings on it, more than twice deGrom's arm.

I think there is sort of a no mans land there....you either want to be aback in the market before you are 35, or locked up until you are 40. Kershaw went for the back in the market before 35. Maybe Jake will too.

Of course, we sign him to a three year deal, and in less than a year he'll be saying he only has two years before free agency, so he has to coddle his arm in September.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:40 AM   #45
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Jacob deGrom "coddling" his arm in September is the biggest red herring ever.

1. If the Mets are not "in the hunt" in September I WANT Jacob deGrom to coddle his arm.

2. If the Mets ARE "in the hunt" Jake will want to pitch every three days regardless of what his agent is telling him. Wild fucking Horses couldn't keep Jacob deGrom off the mound when there is something at stake. If you don't know that by now, you're a dolt.
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:01 PM   #46
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Jacob deGrom "coddling" his arm in September is the biggest red herring ever.

1. If the Mets are not "in the hunt" in September I WANT Jacob deGrom to coddle his arm.

2. If the Mets ARE "in the hunt" Jake will want to pitch every three days regardless of what his agent is telling him. Wild fucking Horses couldn't keep Jacob deGrom off the mound when there is something at stake. If you don't know that by now, you're a dolt.
Or wins for a Cy Young, of course. He wasn't shipping starts last Sept, heh?
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Old 02-22-2019, 02:03 PM   #47
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Syndergaard we may be able to extend for a Severino value, but deGrom's extension is going to take a legit FA-esque contract...he's gonna get $200+ mil on whatever extension he gets
Honestly if Degrom would want 200 million, when he is already under team control for two years, I'd prefer to say bye bye when the time comes, or trade him in season next year if we're done. He's not a free agent so if he wants security he's gotta give something back.
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Old 02-22-2019, 02:07 PM   #48
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We can't just ignore the fact that Severino, who was third in the Cy Young in 2017 and 9th last year at a 19-8 clip (yeah, I hate W-Ls but there it is) just got 4/40. Yes, he was further from FA, but he is also *24*. There is a country mile from signing a 24 year old versus a 31 year old. The comp is there, it can't be ignored.

If you told me I had to sign one of them to a 7 year guaranteed contract, it would be Severino.
Severino can't carry Jake's jockstrap. Not a good comp.
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:13 PM   #49
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Or wins for a Cy Young, of course. He wasn't shipping starts last Sept, heh?
Of course not.... HE'S not a dolt. The Cy Young is a very prestigious award that has plenty of positive monetary implications. But my statement stands. If the Mets are in the hunt in September Jacob deGrom is going to demand the baseball and he'll want to go the distance.
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:34 PM   #50
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I don't see the hurry. A lot can change in 2 years. In 2 years, he will be 33. You probably already got his best years and you can let him go. Or if he's still an Ace, you offer him a 3 or 4 year deal with a high AAV. The Mets are in good position, they really shouldn't do anything. No need to lock up a 31 year old long term, play the wait and see game.
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5/120 is no discount.
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I don't see the hurry. A lot can change in 2 years. In 2 years, he will be 33. You probably already got his best years and you can let him go. Or if he's still an Ace, you offer him a 3 or 4 year deal with a high AAV. The Mets are in good position, they really shouldn't do anything. No need to lock up a 31 year old long term, play the wait and see game.
This is very logical but people here can't wait to pay him

I'm sorry but the age scares me.
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:39 PM   #53
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I don't see the hurry. A lot can change in 2 years. In 2 years, he will be 33. You probably already got his best years and you can let him go. Or if he's still an Ace, you offer him a 3 or 4 year deal with a high AAV. The Mets are in good position, they really shouldn't do anything. No need to lock up a 31 year old long term, play the wait and see game.
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:09 PM   #54
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I voted 5/120. Considering his age I don't think it's unreasonable. 24M per is pretty good.
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4/100 wit team option for 5th @25.
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Old 02-22-2019, 07:33 PM   #56
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You gotta offer at least what Lester got. Lester was the same age and had a lot more mileage on his arm. Plus deGrom is a better pitcher.
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You gotta offer at least what Lester got. Lester was the same age and had a lot more mileage on his arm. Plus deGrom is a better pitcher.
Lester annoys the shit out of me with his inability to make a throw to a base but damn, he sure is a work-horse! 11 years in a row with 31 or more starts.
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Lester annoys the shit out of me with his inability to make a throw to a base but damn, he sure is a work-horse! 11 years in a row with 31 or more starts.
Yeah...is that a proven attribute, or does it just mean his tire tread is running down? A case could be made either way.

Lester had a good 2018 Age 34, but his Age 33 2017 was meh. 4.33 ERA. 0.7 WAR.

Guess who had a 3.7 WAR, a 4.16 ERA, and the same number of starts and innings in his Age 34 year in 2017?
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Yeah...is that a proven attribute, or does it just mean his tire tread is running down? A case could be made either way.

Lester had a good 2018 Age 34, but his Age 33 2017 was meh. 4.33 ERA. 0.7 WAR.

Guess who had a 3.7 WAR, a 4.16 ERA, and the same number of starts and innings in his Age 34 year in 2017?
Vargas, exactly correct, thank you.
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