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Old 03-15-2019, 01:25 PM   #21
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Also in a playoff game would teams really give a shit about a fine? This has playoff controversy written all over it. I guarantee it will happen.
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No player is going to want to leave a game after pitching to one batter. To choose him as a co-conspirator and thespian partner and expect him to perform the sick act AND cover it up for life is a lot for a manager to hope for.

Particularly in the playoffs. He'd look like a total wuss, faking an injury to get out of a game. Between the media and fan abuse.....eventually that guy will crack..."No! Mickey ordered me to act like my arm was hurt!!! I wanted to strike him out and win the world series!!!" Player/ team relationships generally add badly, and then that guy will get loose lips.

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Old 03-15-2019, 01:55 PM   #23
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Who cares what it will "look like" if the results tip in favor of it in a crucial game strategy. If the Dodgers won the series against the Mets in the end nobody would have cared what Utley's "slide" looked like. They would have won. Nothing else would have mattered.
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:49 PM   #24
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Who cares what it will "look like" if the results tip in favor of it in a crucial game strategy. If the Dodgers won the series against the Mets in the end nobody would have cared what Utley's "slide" looked like. They would have won. Nothing else would have mattered.
Better analogy: Tejada's broken leg results in the game being forfeited to the Mets, only Tejada is seen dancing the night away at a disco and running wind sprints in the AM.

Faking an injury to gain a pitching advantage would be overt cheating with multiple parties...coaches, trainers, medical....who would have to carry on the conspiracy.

Utley just took a hard slide.....was what it was, right there on tape to view. No lies, coverups or conspiracies.

If a pitcher was waived from the three batter rule, and his replacement, with a better platoon, closed out Game 7.....and then it was revealed he had faked an injury at the behest of management and with the connivance of team trainers....that would be an enormous scandal.

One minor thought....it might be at least mandated that an injury replacement be of the same handedness.

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Old 03-15-2019, 02:52 PM   #25
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Looks like 2019 will be the last season I give a shit about baseball.

Oh well.

It was a solid run.
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:52 PM   #26
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WTF is this shit
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:53 PM   #27
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Who cares if it would get revealed they'd have a WS trophy. Everyone remembers deflate gate but in the end the games are over. Finished. Can't go back and play them.
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WTF is this shit
Dozens and dozens....possibly even a few hundred people that think baseball is too boring now will decide they are willing to give it a shot.

It's a fair trade off to dismantling the way the sport has been played for over 100 years.
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I'm talking about people talking about Ruben Tejada and Chase Utley
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:56 PM   #30
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I'm talking about people talking about Ruben Tejada and Chase Utley
Point is nobody gives a shit about "controversy" because the ends justify the means.
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:05 PM   #31
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if faking an injury and risking a fine is the difference between WS champ vs WS loser, you do it every single time.

who cares when you're the WS champs. I'll be too busy celebrating to care.
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:11 PM   #32
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if faking an injury and risking a fine is the difference between WS champ vs WS loser, you do it every single time.

who cares when you're the WS champs. I'll be too busy celebrating to care.
Yep. I'm not saying this will be rampant or anything but I'm almost positive if push comes to shove every team will take any edge they can get in a crucial game.

Shit you see soccer players do this all the time...

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Old 03-15-2019, 07:12 PM   #33
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In general, I would put a blanket on the 'fake an injury' thing and just allow them to pull the pitcher if they wanted to lose that guy off the roster for next game. That way if the guy really is injured, it's covered either way.

And if a team feels adamant about having that match-up...taking the time to remove the pitcher, fine... but he's unavailable for the game after. Would be a complete deterrent and sounds harsh... but the idea is a) no faking injuries and b) no fake Loogy's just for the sake of a LOOGY.
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:06 PM   #34
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I think I would get rid of this rule in the playoffs and possibly in September. A fine or a few game DL isn't going to mean much to a team in contention for losing their loogy for a few days.
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:23 PM   #35
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I don't get why they go all the way to a 3 batter minimum. Why not try a 2 batter minimum first to see how it goes. I am convinced the 3 batter minimum will not speed up games and will lead to more walks.
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I think I would get rid of this rule in the playoffs and possibly in September. A fine or a few game DL isn't going to mean much to a team in contention for losing their loogy for a few days.
Forcing the LOOGY out for 1 game would be a big deal though. It means that player is unavailable. Which puts the onus on the other pitchers to come thru and not rely on the specialist. And this is really what it's about is, if the guy can't get anyone out from the other side of the plate... it exposes the team a bit more to rely on that guy.

I'm not completely opposed to the strategy per se... but it does slow the game down a lot and I just dislike the idea that one specialist is taking up a spot that really is more of a 'designated specialist' and that's all they do.

There should be plenty of guys who can pitch 3 innings max out there. The failed 5 inning starters basically. That's the pool that needs to be tapped into more and get away from specialists entirely.
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To me this is an absolutely idiotic rule. I hate where baseball is going rules-wise.
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Old 03-16-2019, 02:03 AM   #38
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I wish pitchers didn't suck so much
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Supposedly there's a "protocall" for that. My guess is it just becomes a fine situation.

It will be worth it for the teams to just pay the fine to circumvent the stupid rule.
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Better analogy: Tejada's broken leg results in the game being forfeited to the Mets, only Tejada is seen dancing the night away at a disco and running wind sprints in the AM.

Faking an injury to gain a pitching advantage would be overt cheating with multiple parties...coaches, trainers, medical....who would have to carry on the conspiracy.

Utley just took a hard slide.....was what it was, right there on tape to view. No lies, coverups or conspiracies.

If a pitcher was waived from the three batter rule, and his replacement, with a better platoon, closed out Game 7.....and then it was revealed he had faked an injury at the behest of management and with the connivance of team trainers....that would be an enormous scandal.

One minor thought....it might be at least mandated that an injury replacement be of the same handedness.

Not a problem for us, pretty sure both Gsellman and Wilson have reverse splits.
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